Dec152011
realtors admit they blew it, revised data coming 12-21
The National Association of realtors has a credibility problem. Everyone already distrusts them because the sales techniques they advocate rely on falsehood and manipulation to cajole buyers into closing deals. But their problems go deeper than that. The association provides market data which purportedly is objective, but it certainly appears as if they manipulate this data to make the market look stronger than it is. Is this an “honest” mistake?
Back in February I noted that the National Association of realtors caught lying about home sales. I contended that “The NAr wanted to dupe buyers into thinking the market was stable to induce transactions that never would have gone through if buyers had known the truth.” Perhaps they were nefarious and just incompetent. Neither alternative speaks highly of them.
Published: Tuesday, 13 Dec 2011 | 5:21 PM ET
Data on sales of previously owned U.S. homes from 2007 through October this year will be revised down next week because of double counting, indicating a much weaker housing market than previously thought.
The National Association of Realtors said a benchmarking exercise had revealed that some properties were listed more than once, and in some instances, new home sales were also captured.”All the sales and inventory data that have been reported since January 2007 are being downwardly revised. Sales were weaker than people thought,” NAR spokesman Walter Malony told Reuters.
Are they also retracting all their bullish — and completely erroneous — statements over the last few years based on their incorrect data? Are they offering refunds to the buyers who believed their false data and relied on it to make a buying decision? What responsibility do they bear for the decisions they induced others to make?
“We’re capturing some new home data that should have been filtered out and we also discovered that some properties were being listed in more than one list.”
The benchmark revisions will be published next Wednesday and will not affect house prices.Early this year, the Realtors group was accused of overcounting existing homes sales, with California-based real estate analysis firm CoreLogic claiming sales could have been overstated by as much as 20 percent.
At the time, the NAR said it was consulting with a range of experts to determine whether there was a drift in its monthly existing home sales data and that any drift would be “relatively minor.”
Relatively minor? They blew their counts by 10% to 20%, and they consider that relatively minor? They could have pulled numbers out of the air and done a better job.
The depressed housing market is one of the key obstacles to strong economic growth and an oversupply of unsold homes on the market continues to stifle the sector.
Malony said the Realtors group had developed a new model that would allow frequent benchmarking instead of waiting 10 years for the population Census data to revise their figures.
I don’t care if they benchmark their data daily, they simply can’t be trusted to do it right. The temptation to fudge the numbers to pump the market is just too great.
Calculated Risk did a recent post on this issue, Lawler on NAR Revisions for 2007 through 2011.
From economist Tom Lawler: NAR to Release Existing Home Sales Revisions this Month
The National Association of Realtors yesterday sent out a media advisory [announcing] that it would release its benchmark revisions to its existing home sales estimates on December 21st. Here is what the NAR sent out:
Although there are downward revisions for total sales in recent years, there is little change to previously reported monthly comparisons or characterizations based on percentage change. There is a comparable downward revision to unsold inventory, so there is no change to relative month’s supply. Also, there is no change to median home prices.
An up-drift in sales projections developed over time between the fixed model for calculating sales rates and the actual marketplace, including growth in multiple listing service coverage areas, geographic population shifts, a decline in for-sale-by-owner transactions, some new-home sales trickling into MLS data and some individual sales being recorded in more than one MLS. Divergence of the data with other housing data metrics began in 2007, so revisions for 2007 through the present will be released.
Normal annual revisions will be released with January existing-home sales on February 22, 2012. Those revisions are expected to be minor and will fine-tune the data back though 2007.
While the NAR did not hint at the magnitude of the downward revisions, the “consensus” is that 2010 existing home sales will be revised downward by about 13% or so (yup, there’s a “consensus” for everything!). …
Many analysts were hoping that the NAR’s new methodology would be based on publicly recorded transactions, and apparently the NAR’s staff actually did explore this avenue. Rumor has it, however, that the new “benchmark” revisions will NOT be based on publicly recorded transactions – in part, apparently, because data coverage in many states is not comprehensive; data quality in many states/counties is poor; AND there are disparities among various private vendor estimates of sales based on publicly-recorded transactions. …
Any approach, however, will result in a material reduction in estimated sales over the last few years – though the result will still be estimates and not actuals.
CR Note: This was from economist Tom Lawler.
I don’t buy their argument that the data cannot be based on public information. They could use the data available and extrapolate from that. If their baseline is better, their estimates will improve. I don’t see how they could possible do worse; after all, they are off by more than 10% with their current methodology.
As lenders liquidate to buyers with no move-up equity, they must sell to more and more FHA buyers with low down payments. The result is a decreasing down payment percentage across the whole state.
Down payment on a Calif. home averages 13.25%
The average down payment paid on a California home this year was 13.25%, the fifth-highest average in the nation, a report by LendingTree.com states.
The nationwide average down payment this year was 12.29%, according to a survey of homebuying made from November 2010 through this past November.
The five states where homebuyers make the highest down payments tend also to have higher home prices and higher incomes, according to Lending Tree CEO Doug Lebda. They also include some of the nation’s most troubled housing markets, so it’s also possible that lenders in those states have imposed the tightest lending standards.
Lebda noted also that the survey shows that proposed credit restrictions requiring 20% down payments also could put another damper on the housing market.
“If federal regulators were to adopt the proposed 20% down payment requirement, a majority of borrowers wouldn’t be able to meet the standard given the findings in this report,” Lebda said.
Highlights of the report include:
New Jersey had the highest average down payment among U.S. states: 13.76%.
Others among the top five include: Washington, D.C. (13.54%), New York, (13.51%) and Hawaii (13.37%).
North Dakota had the lowest average down payment among U.S. states: 11.37%.
Others in the bottom five include: Wyoming (11.42%), Oklahoma (11.67%), Utah (11.75%) and Tennessee (11.75%).
Does anyone know what rents are in this neighborhood for this type of property?
Also, how are the schools rated (and how do they compare to Irvine)?
The API Scores on the school district are good: 823 to 833. This puts them in the top 20% of schools nationwide.
I don’t have any good rental information on this neighborhood, but it is a few blocks from the downtown and the beach, so you have to figure the rental market is pretty strong there. Is it at rental parity? I doubt it, but it probably isn’t far from it.
Nice house. I love seal beach. Doubt I would want to be right up on PCH though.
Yes, you have to think there is some serious road noise there.
If China’s housing bubble deflates, it could have repercussions for the world economy.
China’s housing bubble is losing air
By David Pierson, Los Angeles Times
December 13, 2011
Reporting from Beijing—
Falling home values. Debt-strapped borrowers. Real estate woes dogging the economy. It’s old news in the United States, but now the air has started to leak from another great housing bubble — in China.
Home prices nationwide declined in November for the third straight month, according to an index of values in 100 major cities compiled by the China Index Academy, an independent real estate firm. Average prices in the Shanghai area are down about 40% from their peak in mid-2009, to about $176,000 for a 1,000-square-foot home.
Sales have plummeted. In Beijing, nearly two years’ worth of inventory is clogging the market, and more than 1,000 real estate agencies have closed this year. Developers who once pre-sold housing projects within hours are growing desperate. A real estate company in the eastern city of Wenzhou is offering to throw in a new BMW with a home purchase.
The swift turnaround has stunned buyers such as Shanghai resident Mark Li, who thought prices had nowhere to go but up. The software engineer closed on a $250,000, three-bedroom apartment in August, only to watch weeks later as the developer slashed prices 25% on identical units to attract buyers in a slowing market.
Outraged, Li and hundreds of others who paid full price trashed the sales office, scuffled with employees and protested for three days before police broke up the demonstration. Walking away now would mean losing the $75,000 down payment that he borrowed from his working-class parents.
“I still haven’t told them,” Li, 29, said of his home’s plummeting value. “It will just make them worry, and it’s already too late.”
Ahhhh…good times watching the Chinese learn that capitalism, speculation and greed can steal you money just as quickly as a totalitarian government.
Donkey punched. Real Estate will always revert to income generated in the area and rental parity. People need to be much smarter. I heard Americans spend more time picking up new shoes than a mortgage.
Australia coming up next followed by Canada and the rest of the developed world really. The age of delevaraging continues.
The Chinese bubble is even more inflated than ours, and with the limited options for investment in China, many people participated. When it comes crashing down, it is going to wipe out the wealth of the entire nation. If it gets really bad, don’t be surprised to see government intervention on a massive scale.
The amount of central planning added to capitalism is directly proportional to the size of the resulting disaster.
Who is building China’s ghost cities? and why?
Was in costa rica and met a few canadians, they were saying most people have mortgages fixed for 5 years. I’m not sure if the were interest only or amortizing, but either way it is still a red flag. I never verified the accuracy of the popularity of the this loan in canada.
From what I’ve been told, in Canada, all the loans are ARMs. They are amortizing ARMs, but they are nearly all adjustable. They think we are crazy because we liked fixed-rate mortgages here in the United States. With 30 years of falling interest rates, it’s hard to argue with them. Wait until interest rates start their climb. Canadians will watch all their money get burned up as interest payments.
Historically mortgages have 15-year terms in Canada, done as a sequence of 5-year ARMs.
Canada avoided the 2007 bubble because it had a medium-sized bubble 20 years before, and the banks learned from that.
I was there when prices fell 40% overnight in Toronto, and developers were sweetening the deal with your choice of finishes and upgrades to close.
So if my comments in this blog seem cock-sure, it’s because I’ve seen RE go down before.
We’ve been patiently saving-up for a hefty downpayment on our first house for YEARS, but in view of the MASSIVE FRAUD that permeates every single aspect of life in America these days, we’ve decided to use the savings to START A NEW LIFE IN A NEW COUNTRY.
Please take the USA and SHOVE IT.
Thank you.