A common meme in the realtor community is that distressed sales, REO and short sales, are somehow not part of the market. It’s a common misconception shared by agents, sellers, and some misguided housing market analysts.
This idea emanates from the desire to see prices rise. Every seller wants to get a premium price, and agents are prone to pander to seller delusions to get listings. When the market moves the other way, agents have to explain to sellers why they couldn’t get their WTF asking prices, and rather than admit they pandered to a seller’s delusions, agents will blame those pesky distressed sales taking down the market. If not for those distressed sales, prices would be going up, right?
Bullshit.
Distressed sales are market sales
First, let’s be totally clear: distressed sales are market sales. Any property on the MLS which can be purchased with lender financing is a fair-market sale. Whether or not the sale was distressed is irrelevant.
In every real estate market there are distressed sales. Often these come from the three Ds: drugs, divorce, and death. An owner with a drug problem likely has other financial issues, and many have sold their houses to pay other debts or simply buy more drugs. People getting a divorce want to move on with their lives, and selling a house is often the final joint asset needing disposition. People getting a divorce are motivated to sell just to get on with the rest of their lives. When inheritors come into possession of real estate, it is found money. Inheritors often could care less about getting every penny out of a sale. They just want their money quickly so they can spend their windfall. With the collapse of the housing bubble, we could add a fourth D to the list: debt. Many sellers overburdened with debt find themselves underwater on their mortgage. Once they are underwater and unmotivated by obtaining maximum equity in a sale, they may come to care more about expediency than obtaining the highest price.
One thing all distressed sellers have in common is an increased motivation to sell and a decreased desire to get the highest possible resale price. As seller motivation increases, asking prices go down.
Ordinarily, the percentage of distressed sales in a housing market is relatively small. So small in fact that motivated sellers often don’t have to lower their prices to complete the sale. However, in today’s market characterized by fewer buyers with limited ability to raise their bids — and little desire to rise their bids due to falling prices — even a small number of distressed sellers will cause the market to shift as motivated sellers lower their bids to compete for the few active buyers.
Since the current market is dominated by lenders liquidating REO, by definition a motivated seller, at least a third of all market sales will be distressed. With so many distresses sales, prices get pushed down below recent comps, and market prices fall.
In 2012, lenders made a concerted effort to keep REO off the market. The inventory that usually enters the market starting at the first of the year is notably absent. Lenders hope that by limiting supply, they can reverse the decline in prices and engineer another market bottom. However, just like the false bottom of 2009, an engineered bottom created by withholding supply is likely to prove ephemeral. The supply will eventually have to come back to the market, and when it does, they will again be motivated sellers willing to sell for less than recent comps if required to liquidate their holdings — and lower asking prices will be required, particularly at the high end where the absence of move-up equity means demand will be tepid for years.
So the next time you hear a realtor blather on about distressed sales not representing the market, remember they are clueless shills trying to explain why their rosy expectations of future appreciation didn’t come to pass. For example, consider this anecdote provide by Soylent Green is People last week: 
My Agent story of the week (c) falls into the theme of this story nicely. This agent (who says he’s a Real-aaa-tor, mispronouncing the designation) just had his refinance turned down by the bank. The reason: “That gd appraiser used the last two closed comparables in my tract in the report, but they were both short sales! One of the homes they practically gave away.That’s not fair to use these sales to compare to mine”.
The realtor community needs to recognize that the appraisers only use data provided to them by…. the realtor community to arrive at home values in their final reports. A short sale, last time I checked, is a sale, just as an REO is. An appraiser must use that sale if it’s setting the floor in the market. To not see this after years of being an established Real-aaa-tor tells me not much attention was paid during the testing to become one.
Distressed sales cannot be ignored. They are not an aberration due to disappear this spring. Distressed sales are going to be the major factor limiting appreciation for the next decade. Until shadow inventory is gone, lenders liquidations will be about a third of all sales. Even after shadow inventory is gone, if these homes were sold into REO-to-rental programs, the hedge funds will be liquidating for years thereafter. Hedge fund sellers may not be as aggressive as lenders, but they will certainly be more aggressive than discretionary sellers who want to get WTF sales prices.
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CoreLogic February Home Price Index Reports Month-Over-Month Increase, When Excluding Distressed Sales
April 04, 2012, Santa Ana, Calif. –
––Year-Over-Year Declines Continue at a Decreasing Rate––
CoreLogic® (NYSE: CLGX), a leading provider of information, analytics and business services, today released its February Home Price Index (HPI) report, the most current and comprehensive source of home prices available today. Excluding distressed sales, month-over-month prices increased 0.7 percent in February from January. The CoreLogic HPI® also showed that year-over-year prices declined by 0.8 percent in February 2012 compared to February 2011. Distressed sales include short sales and real estate owned (REO) transactions.
Think about how foolish this analysis is. It’s like saying “prices are going up if you exclude those sales where prices went down.” No kidding.
I shot three under par on my last round of golf if you exclude all those bogeys and doubles. If I didn’t have to count those, I would be a good player. 
The report also shows national home prices, including distressed sales, declined on a year-over-year basis by 2.0 percent in February 2012 and by 0.8 percent compared to January 2012, the seventh consecutive monthly decline.
“House prices, based on data through February, continue to decline, but at a decreasing rate. The deceleration in the pace of decline is a first step toward ultimately growing again,” said Mark Fleming, chief economist for CoreLogic. “Excluding distressed sales, we already see modest price appreciation month over month in January and February.”
That is really putting lipstick on a pig, isn’t it? All the news is bad, but it’s getting less bad, so that must be good?
“The continued strength of sales activity and tightening inventories in many markets are early and hopeful signs that prices will continue to stabilize and improve in the coming months. In fact, non-distressed home sale prices, which represent two-thirds of all sales, have appreciated by just over 1.0 percent since the beginning of the year,” said Anand Nallathambi, president and CEO of CoreLogic.
Why do we need to look for hopeful signs? Why not simply report the market is in the toilet and let it be what it is?
Highlights as of February 2012
- Including distressed sales, the five states with the highest appreciation were: West Virginia (+8.6 percent), Michigan (+5.8 percent), Florida (+4.7 percent), Arizona (+4.5 percent) and South Dakota (+4.1 percent).
- Including distressed sales, the five states with the greatest depreciation were: Delaware (-11.2 percent), Connecticut (-7.9 percent), Rhode Island (-7.8 percent), Illinois (-7.1 percent) and Georgia (-6.6 percent).
- Excluding distressed sales, the five states with the highest appreciation were: South Dakota (+5.9 percent), West Virginia (+5.6 percent), Maine (+4.5 percent), Utah (+3.7 percent) and Montana (+3.6 percent).
- Excluding distressed sales, the five states with the greatest depreciation were: Delaware (-8.7 percent), Connecticut (-4.9 percent), Nevada (-4.6 percent), Vermont (-4.0 percent) and Minnesota (-3.3 percent).
- Including distressed transactions, the peak-to-current change in the national HPI (from April 2006 to February 2012) was -34.4 percent. Excluding distressed transactions, the peak-to-current change in the HPI for the same period was -24.6 percent.
- The five states with the largest peak-to-current declines including distressed transactions are Nevada (-60.2 percent), Arizona (-49.8 percent), Florida (-48.6 percent), Michigan (-44.0 percent) and California (-43.7 percent).
- Of the top 100 Core Based Statistical Areas (CBSAs) measured by population, 67 are showing year-over-year declines in February, nine fewer than in January.
Full-month February 2012 national, state-level and top CBSA-level data can be found at http://www.corelogic.com/HPIFebruary2012.
Does all real estate reporting need to be bullishly biased?
Notice that CoreLogic perpetuates the fallacious distinction between distressed and non-distressed sales. Why do they do that? I will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they know better. The only reason to make this distinction is to provide bullish spin useful to realtors, and lately to politicians.
Why can’t data purveyors simply provide truthful and accurate data? Does society benefit from the grand conspiracy to dupe hapless buyers into overpaying for real estate? 
Lenders benefit.
Realtors benefit.
Politicians benefit.
Buyers get screwed.
Does that seem right to you?
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Beautiful home and half a million too
I can see why every homeowner in California longs for the days of the housing bubble. Where else could you buy a beautiful and expensive home and get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for doing so? The higher up the property ladder a person bought, the more HELOC money was made available to them.
- Today’s featured property was purchased on 3/17/2000 for $567,000. The owner used a $481,525 first mortgage and a $85,475 down payment.
- On 4/11/2000, he obtained a $75,000 to get access to their down payment money.
- On 8/22/2000 he obtained a $99,999 stand-alone second mortgage.
- On 12/22/2003 he refinanced with a $506,000 first mortgage.
- On 3/29/2004 he obtained a $650,000 first mortgage.
- On 12/6/204 he refinanced with a $700,000 first mortgage. That’s 195,000 in mortgage equity withdrawal in 2004 alone.
- On 4/27/2005 he refinanced again with a $720,000 first mortgage.
- On 6/30/2005 he obtained a $100,000 HELOC.
- On 10/23/2005 he refinanced with a $725,00 first mortgage.
- On 2/14/2006 he refinanced with a $837,500 first mortgage.
- On 8/2/2006 he refinanced with a $847,500 Option ARM.
- On 9/12/2006 he obtained a $200,000 HELOC.
- Total property debt was $1,047,500 assuming he maxed out the HELOC.
- Total mortgage equity withdrawal was $565,975 plus negative amortization.
- He quit paying in mid 2009 and was allowed to squat until the end of 2011, approximately two and one half years.
Nice gig if you can get it.
Mission Viejo Overview
Median home price is $406,000. Based on a rental parity value of $530,000, this market is under valued.
Monthly payment affordability has been worsening over the last 2 month(s). Momentum suggests worsening affordability.
Resale prices on a $/SF basis declined from $234/SF to $233/SF.
Resale prices have been falling for 12 month(s). Price momentum suggests falling prices over the next three months.
Median rental rates declined $75 last month from $2,313 to $2,238.
Rents have been rising for 12 month(s). Price momentum suggests rising rents over the next three months.
Market rating = 7

Proprietary OC Housing News home purchase analysis 
22801 HUNTER Crk Mission Viejo, CA 92692
$729,000 …….. Asking Price
$567,000 ………. Purchase Price
3/17/2000 ………. Purchase Date
$162,000 ………. Gross Gain (Loss)
($45,360) ………… Commissions and Costs at 8%
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$116,640 ………. Net Gain (Loss)
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28.6% ………. Gross Percent Change
20.6% ………. Net Percent Change
2.1% ………… Annual Appreciation
Cost of Home Ownership 
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$729,000 …….. Asking Price
$145,800 ………… 20% Down Conventional
3.90% …………. Mortgage Interest Rate
30 ……………… Number of Years
$583,200 …….. Mortgage
$151,348 ………. Income Requirement
$2,751 ………… Monthly Mortgage Payment
$632 ………… Property Tax at 1.04%
$150 ………… Mello Roos & Special Taxes
$182 ………… Homeowners Insurance at 0.3%
$0 ………… Private Mortgage Insurance
$195 ………… Homeowners Association Fees
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$3,910 ………. Monthly Cash Outlays
($632) ………. Tax Savings
($855) ………. Equity Hidden in Payment
$194 ………….. Lost Income to Down Payment
$111 ………….. Maintenance and Replacement Reserves
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$2,728 ………. Monthly Cost of Ownership
Cash Acquisition Demands
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$8,790 ………… Furnishing and Move In at 1% + $1,500
$8,790 ………… Closing Costs at 1% + $1,500
$5,832 ………… Interest Points
$145,800 ………… Down Payment
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$169,212 ………. Total Cash Costs
$41,800 ………. Emergency Cash Reserves
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$211,012 ………. Total Savings Needed
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This property is available for sale via the MLS.
Please contact Shevy Akason, #01836707
949.769.1599……
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Thank you IR for pointing out the simple facts. They don’t call ‘em Comp-Killa’s for no reason.
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Speaking of facts: the sellers ‘window’ is rapidly closing, especially in the bubble counties…..
ROBERT SHILLER: Housing Is Not An Investment
”we have to get back to thinking like people used to think. Housing is a depreciating asset.”
http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-shiller-housing-is-not-an-investment-2012-4
“Robert Shiller: There’s no guarantee that home prices are going to go up. I think we’ve gotten into an illusion about that. We got into an illusion and it created this spectacular bubble. We have to reflect now that we had a kind of crazy mind-set in the last couple of decades, and we have to get back to thinking like people used to think. Housing is a depreciating asset, goes out of style; it’s going to end up in the wrong place. People will want to live somewhere else, so it’s not any automatic capital gain.”
Read more: http://pragcap.com/robert-shiller-housing-is-not-an-investment#ixzz1sDle6eJh
Pandering Attorneys General still haven’t given up on principal reduction.
Eleven AGs Send Letter Urging DeMarco to Reverse Course
Eleven state attorneys general sent a letter to Edward DeMarco, Acting Director of the FHFA, urging him to allow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to move forward with principal reductions.
Headlined by Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley, the letter doubled down on the FHFA to “preserve assets and prevent unnecessary foreclosures by implementing loan modifications that include principal write-downs.”
State attorneys general said that new reductions “should consider all of a borrower’s debts, not just the monthly mortgage debt, be uniform, transparent, and publicly disclosed.”
The letter added that current statistics and analysis are “completely model driven and FHFA’s analysis cautions that the model used may not be appropriate. We encourage the FHFA to use actual results in its analyses where real data are available, including data from HAMP, and the anticipated data from the ‘Multistate Servicing Settlement.’”
When comparing principal reduction versus principal forbearance, the letter stated that principal reduction improves an underwater borrower’s equity position, which “will incent homeowners to maintain loan payments resulting in lower re-default rates.”
Pointing to the Treasury’s recent tripling of incentive payments to mortgage investors who allow principal reduction, the letter stated that this should substantially reduce FHFA’s concerns over the financial impact of principal reduction, noting that the “payouts ranged between six and 21 cents to the investors for each dollar forgiven under HAMP, but that will grow to between 18 and 63 cents.”
FHFA Acting Director Edward DeMarco continues to resist calls by lawmakers and policymakers to implement new loan modifications for homeowners, stressing the agency’s “preserve and conserve” mandate.
Coakley and others were joined this week by International Monetary Fund Director Christine Lagarde, who reportedly leaned on regulators to reduce the mortgage debt owned by U.S. homeowners.
I’m adding one more to the pile. 3 months and got my NOD right on time in the mail and certified. Here’s to hoping they can act fact and have me out before December!
I’m doing my best to help lower home prices for all you waiting in line to put cash in the banksters wallets! Every month that passes and I don’t pay my mortgage or HOA, I get 2% of my 20% down. If I can live there for 50 months rent free, I’ll actually break even! (I anticipate 7 months, so I’ll get 14% of my initial down payment back, that’s a far cry better than nothing.)
Look at it this way. You will be able to buy again in two years if you want, and it likely won’t cost you any more money than today’s prices. The shortest path to having equity again is through default.
Did you consider short selling the property? You might be able to drag out the process even longer that way.
No, the short sale thing isn’t what I want, having people in the banksters house like that, Lord knows what they would do to the property LOL! No, the only out I gave the banksters on the phone (JP Morgan, what you all know as “Chase”) was to lower my principal to $249,000, the same as the unit next door that has been sitting vacant for oh…..6 months or so.
I want out of this place before December to qualify for the Home Mortgage Debt Relief Act. I really do not want to file A chapter 13 as they take forever and take loads of paperwork.
I agree, default works to lower the prices for everyone, but the astounding losses the banksters take because they drag their feet is bad.
I hope it works out for you. One advantage of the short sale is that you are certain to be covered by the statute. If it goes to foreclosure, the lender may not issue the 1099 until next year in which case you would miss the window.
I’ve been in the appraisal business for about 27 years. When the market is bad appraisers get the blame…but when the market is good we get no credit. Why is that? When prices are going up and sales are setting records they interview lenders, builders, economists, and home buyers and NONE of them say, “We have the appraisers to thank for this wonderful state of affairs. I sure hope we are paying them enough.” But when the market is bad…it’s our fault.
To any realtor who says distressed sales should not be considered when determining property value, I pose the following question. Let’s suppose that you, Mr. or Ms. Realtor, were buying a house for your own use. Let us further suppose that a house quite similar to your house had sold down the street within the last three months and it was a “distressed” sale. Would you say, “I don’t want to know what it sold for. It’s not reflective of the market, so I am not even going to look at it?” If so, I never want you representing me when I buy a home.
LOL! Funny how it looks different from the other side of the bargaining table.
I’d ask any real-aah-ter “do you sell short sales?” If so, then they are comparables. If they aren’t what are you selling?
Here’s an example of what can be done when you have a “comp-killer” in your neighborhood. We’re refinancing a borrower in a condo development. The most recent two sales are $350k (good) and $225k (comp-killer). Our owner, who also happens to be on the HOA board, walked with the appraiser to the $225k home and showed why this home sold at the price it did. The home didn’t sell traditionally. It was a probate sale. The family members abandoned the home and squatters eventually took over. They also had 9 dogs in the property – remember, this is a condo without a yard…. After the squatters were fumigated out of the property, all of the flooring was stripped and a 4 foot high band of drywall was carved out of every room in the property, replaced, and repainted by the new owners. It took $80k in repairs to bring a $225k sale back up to market value.
Many real-aah-ters would see this home and say “Well, it was given away. You can’t count that one.” without asking the “why” question as in “why did it sell at that price”? If they would take the time to do the primary research on “why” questions, working for their commission rather than retreating into their reality distortion field, the industry might gather back some long lost credibility.
My .02c
It’s now 2012. Isn’t it true that distressed properties (those in the 4D categories) basically ARE the market today? One would think that prospective sellers who have equity and not otherwise “D’ed” (distressed) would be sitting the next few plays out and simply enjoy the half-time show until things stabilized. Maybe I’m wrong.
I agree that it’s a real shame that real estate consumers cannot rely on the accuracy of industry data provider statistics. Who really serves as an advocate for consumers right now in the real estate market? Is this:
Realtors? Bwahahahaha.
Appraisers? No.
Lenders? C’mon.
Attorneys? Hey, you may have just discovered a…..No.
So nobody then? Seriously?
“Isn’t it true that distressed properties (those in the 4D categories) basically ARE the market today?”
Exactly. Ignoring a third to a half of the sales in the market — sales which will persist for another decade — is simply ignorant. The only reason anyone would look at the market this way is to make it appear better than it really is.